Comments regarding video if you please...

[peter c]

No worries, CJ. I don't know
the guy but I do believe in
using double-patterns on the
kick in every way possible.

It makes one a better drummer.

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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 15, 2005 12:18 PM: Message edited by: peter c ]</font>

[cjbdrm]

drat!

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 15, 2005 12:50 PM: Message edited by: cjbdrm ]</font>

[cjbdrm]

I hear ya...it really spices up the groove...

Maybe you could post a vid of some of your concepts?

Haven't seen anything from you for a while [img]wink.gif[/img]

[Dazzler]

sorry guys, I just don't get it. So he's playing doubles on the BD and inserting them in different places - so??

1) it sounds sloppy
2) there's no power or feeling or phrasing behind the doubles, like accenting the last one for example.
3) this is remedial stuff
4) he doesn't mention using this in a musical context, in the context of a tune

After having watching Mr Zoro's other vids, I just don't get why he's accaimed so highly, he really does nothing for me. His playing sounds lame to me.... I am obviously opening myself up for a berating by the Zoro fans here, but I'm willing to be educated!

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[XNavyDrummer]

Originally posted by Dazzler:
His playing sounds lame to me.... I am obviously opening myself up for a berating by the Zoro fans here, but I'm willing to be educated!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Isn't this kind of a recurring theme here? We discus the playing of someone in the limelight and then say, I don't get it, what's so impressive? But, when you step back and look at the careers of a lot of these guys you've got to admit that they must be doing something right in order to be propelled from high profile gig to high profile gig.

The first time I saw Z was at PASIC '85 (has it really been 20 years?). He wasn't featured there, just another drummer amongst the masses (only he was the only one wearing a Zoro hat). This is the PASIC that featured Stewart Copland, Tony Williams and Vinnie Colaiuta. Anyway, there we are in the exhibit hall and all of these guys are just going nuts showing all their technique on scores of kits (talk about loud!). I'm checking out a kit and next to me is this guy wearing that black Zoro hat, just laying down a nice groove. He looks over at me and says "they don't get it" and keeps playing this simple groove. Well looking back over the years since then, I've got to think that Z did get it and continues to produce the stuff that a lot of great musicians want to hear.

[cjbdrm]

Stewart Copeland, Tony Williams, and Vinnie Colaiuta "don't get it"?

ROFLMAO [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I hate to be negative.
I hate to be critical.

But I hate even more thinking that the reason I have to work a day job might be because I didn't have a cool hat and have an unexplicably high opinion of and belief in my own mediocre playing.

[LDGuy]

Originally posted by Dazzler:
sorry guys, I just don't get it. So he's playing doubles on the BD and inserting them in different places - so??

1) it sounds sloppy
2) there's no power or feeling or phrasing behind the doubles, like accenting the last one for example.
3) this is remedial stuff
4) he doesn't mention using this in a musical context, in the context of a tune

After having watching Mr Zoro's other vids, I just don't get why he's accaimed so highly, he really does nothing for me. His playing sounds lame to me.... I am obviously opening myself up for a berating by the Zoro fans here, but I'm willing to be educated!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have to say i agree. Regardless of what career he's had, the only judgement i can make of Mr Zoro is one based on this vid. I haven't played in a studio with him, have I? This may look very unfair, but i think that this video really isn't anything special. And the stuff he's doing with those loops off his iPod (see his page on DW) isn't great either. I'm still convinced the Keith Carlock vid is the best to come from MDF05

[XNavyDrummer]

cdbdrm, Z was refering to the PASIC attendees in the exhibit hall and not to Tony, Stewart and Vinnie.

[Jonathan599]

Originally posted by CLWarunki:
This video proves that Zoro has a "lazy" approach to his doubles on his hands AND feet... you can really tell on the foot though cause the doubles are weak. I understand the importnace of rebound, but I didn't see the point of that excersize personally [img]eek.gif[/img]

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If Zoro has a "lazy approach to his doubles on hands and feet" then either (i) he won't be able to get great gigs, or (ii) you can get great gigs despite a lazy approach to doubles on hands and feet. Obviously (i) is false, so...

I agree that the bass drum doubles (on the practice kit) looked (and sounded) very poor. But you shouldn't be seeking to learn how to execute doubles by watching Zoro -- he has other things to teach. (I suspect that your doubles are fine already, CLW -- Gary Grace is more than competent to teach you about those.)

I don't understand why in order to have "cred" on this board a drummer has to either (i) have enormous historical significance or (ii) be close to the Vinnie/Donati level in the virtuosity department.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 17, 2005 10:51 PM: Message edited by: Jonathan599 ]</font>

[Jonathan599]

[quote]Originally posted by LDGuy:

I'm still convinced the Keith Carlock vid is the best to come from MDF05

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree 100%, LDGuy. It's a shame that Hudson only decided to show one of the (three?) tunes played by Krantz/Lefebvre/Carlock at the actual event on the DVDs.